Please try not to laugh, this is deadly serious.
Someone has leaked the BNP's membership list and posted it on the internet.
Some BNP members are less than please judging by the comments on one BNP blog. Some of them are unhappy because they're ashamed of their membership and have been outed and some are understandably worried because they could lose their jobs - such as the police officers who are banned from joining the BNP and whose names and professions are on the list.
There is open revolt on BNP blogs about this. Interesting, there are complaints about the BNP membership figures being inflated by as much as 50% and those false figures being used by Griffin to stop attempts to remove him as leader.
And in case anyone is wondering, I've checked the list and there are people I know to be BNP members on the list so it's genuine.The list includes names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of all members up to September 2008.
How can Griffin run a country if he can't run a membership list?
Tuesday, 18 November 2008
wonkotsane is an author at Bloggers4UKIP.
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Yes I found someone on it I knew a few years ago and their conduct was most dubious!
Scary stuff!
I do actually have some sympathy for some of the people on the list. The BNP manifesto is just window dressing and it's easy to get sucked in and believe that they've changed their ways. Their party constitution hasn't changed and there are enough extremists in the BNP to ensure that Griffin's previous attempt to moderate their constitution failed.
A lot of people on that list are concerned - and rightly so - about mass immigration and the unsustainable burden it places on society and they are conned into believing that the BNP is the answer.
UKIP has a perfectly acceptable and practical policy on immigration - freeze it for 5 years and then introduce a points-based system for entry applied equally to everyone wanting to make this country their home. The half-baked implementation of UKIP's policy brought in by Labour recently is a small step in the right direction but until it's applied to every prospective immigrant and not just non-"EU citizens" it's pointless and it can't be applied to "EU citizens" until we are out of the EU.
It has to be said as well that the names and addresses should never really have been published like that. It is a breach of the data protection act for one thing.
I beg your pardon, but Mr Griffin is hardly the one to blame over the actions of a few treacherous anti-BNP so n so's.
He has behaved inspirationally over this period, this being depicted durig his interview on Ch4.
Regards,
DM
I didn't put the final line in my original post for the reason that it wasn't Griffin's fault, someone's edited it in.
Even though Griffin isn't to blame for this data protection breach, it'll most likely be the end of him anyway. He's survived coups because the threshold for votes to remove him has been set artifically high through the exaggerated membership numbers which in reality are almost 50% lower than he has been claiming. The number of votes by members with 2 years good standing now required to remove him is probably now within reach given a concerted effort by his detractors so in all likelihood he's going to be gone pretty soon.
"Even though Griffin isn't to blame for this data protection breach, it'll most likely be the end of him anyway. He's survived coups because the threshold for votes to remove him.."
I think not, in fact Griffin has come through this stronger than ever, take this from somebody who is both a member and in contact with very many of them.
Secondly, don't take anything you read on the Northwest nationalists blog as gospel, those "nutzis" are bitter over being removed back in December 07, the establishment has tried to pin this on Griffin and it hasn't worked.
As for the UKIPer's, I don't think you have much to laugh about at the moment anyway, even less so in 2009.
No ill will, you'll come around eventually, as will the majority of the voters once they understand what is at stake and whom is responsible for putting it in jeopardy in the first place.
BNP cron, The last time they said UKIP would not break through in the Euro elections guess what happened!.
Let's see what the voters decide on that day rather then a few polls and hear'say.
"BNP cron, The last time they said UKIP would not break through in the Euro elections guess what happened!."
I know what happened, UKIP did very well, not surprising given that they had the weight of the mass media and establishment behind them.
This time though, the voters are going to look at what you have actually achieved since 2004.
UKIP has never had the media behind it. UKIP did so well at the last elections because so many people are opposed to continued membership of the EU and there is only one party that will withdraw us from the EU and run the country according to the wishes of the majority and that's UKIP. UKIP's immigration policy is more in tune with the feelings of the electorate than the BNP - a freeze on immigration for 5 years and then a points system that makes sure the only immigrants we get are those with jobs, the means to support themselves and skills that we need. The BNP constitution says that not only will immigration be frozen forever but that non-whites and immigrants will be forced to leave the country. UKIP is in favour of small government and freedom of the press whereas the BNP constitution says that they would introduce draconian legislation to imprison newspaper editors that publish stories that they consider are not for the good of the country. UKIP has a broadly libertarian stance, the BNP has an authoritarian stance. UKIP policy reflects the views of the minority, not the views of a white supremecist minority.
"UKIP has never had the media behind it."
How many times has Farage etc appeared on the various political shows and debates, even when the BNP had more representation in the areas concerned than UKIP.
It is quite suspicious to me, that extremely pro EU organisations (such as the BBC) give you the time of day, in fact, you are covered more than the Greens.
The party may have been started with good intentions but you are now nothing more than a safety valve to be opened whenever the BNP looks particularly "dangerous".
"UKIP's immigration policy is more in tune with the feelings of the electorate than the BNP"
I doubt that.
"but that non-whites and immigrants will be forced to leave the country."
NO, the policy is based on a VOLUNTARY repatriation programme, not unlike the one Labour allready runs but on a much larger scale.
It would apply to certian groups regardless of race.
"not the views of a white supremecist minority."
Ethno Nationalist thank you, theres a big difference between the two, mainly genocide.
"UKIP policy reflects the views of the minority"
Any democratic Government should reflect the views of the majority.
White supremacy is the belief that white people are superior to other racial groups. The term is sometimes used specifically to describe a political ideology that advocates the social and political dominance of whites.
The BNP constitution says voluntary repatriation with cash bribes will be used and when all the immigrants that are prepared to move voluntarily have gone they will force whoever is left to move.
UKIP rarely gets time on the TV. Farage only gets the time he does because he's an excellent speaker, knows his subject and can speak at length without notes - something not many politician can or will do.
"The BNP constitution says voluntary repatriation with cash bribes will be used and when all the immigrants that are prepared to move voluntarily have gone they will force whoever is left to move."
Sheer rhetoric. I'd like to see you back that up with evidence. Do that and I'll vote UKIP.
There are laws against libel too...
D.Meyers Off the BNP website itself.
"introduction of a system of voluntary resettlement whereby those immigrants who are legally here will be afforded the opportunity to return to their lands of ethnic origin assisted by a generous financial incentives both for individuals and for the countries in question".
"Assisted by a generous financial incentives"
Sounds like a cash bribe to me! and do you mind telling how much you BNP lot plan to spend to get all none whites out?.
1. I've read the BNP constitution, have you?
2. Political parties can't sue for libel
Mr Fowler, I should have made myself clearer, I was emphasising the latter part of "Wonkotsane's" statement: "when all the immigrants that are prepared to move voluntarily have gone they will force whoever is left to move."
I am perfectly familiar with BNP policy, and the above certainly does not feature.
As for how much the British National Party is willing to spend on its voluntary repatriation system of immigrants (not just non-whites), exact numbers have not been discussed but it is expected that the billions saved from ending handouts to asylum seekers and Brussels will be used.
Wonkotsane: I have read the entire BNP website and corresponded with leading members of the party on such issues.
I didn't say political parties could sue for libel, I said their was a law against it, hinting that such behaviour is frowned upon.
Yes, there's a law against libel which I am quite familiar with. There is no such thing as libel against a political party though.
You may have read BNP policy - ie. what they put in their manifesto - but have you read the constitution? The constitution is the core policy and objectives of the party and they're not the same as what they put in the manifesto. I very much doubt that even 1% of BNP members have seen the constitution.
Admittedly I have only studied the Ninth Edition of the constitution.
What has that to do with anything?
Nowhere does it back up your earlier claim.
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