Monday, 20 August 2012

Dear Dan, the answer is no

There was talk last week (from the Tories) of a UKIP/Tory pact in the next set of elections.  We said that it's not UKIP's job to fix the Tories and gave 5 reasons why there should be no pact.
UKIP in his heart,
Tory in his pocket

Now Dan Hannan MEP has weighed in, calling for such a pact in time for the next election following Conservative Home's revelation that 60% of Tory members think a pact with UKIP would increase their chances.  More Tories thought that a "bankable" promise of an EU referendum (yes, another Cast Iron Guarantee™) was a better idea proving both that you can't fix stupid and that Hannan doesn't trust Cameron to give another Cast Iron Guarantee™ or to stick to it if he does.

A poll was started on a Facebook group open only to UKIP members last night asking if UKIP should enter into an electoral pact with the Tories.  So far 20 members have said no, 1 member has said maybe and nobody has said yes.

So just in case any Tories with big ideas about an electoral pact with UKIP haven't got the message yet: it's not our job to fix your party and it's certainly not our job (or in our interests) to help you win elections.  The answer (from the membership, at least) is NO.
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Brian · 657 weeks ago

A lot of the above is correct, but what is a fact, because of "the party line", politicians from any party are hardly likely to agree any form of pact before the next general election, because in the event their party wins, then those that had doubts beforehand would never get on the greasy pole to ministerial positions. Tories who agree with the referedum 'in/out' question do not have the bottle to bring Cameron to his senses for the same reason outlined. Our 650 MP's have no principles, no interest in the elctorate, no idea of how to communicate with the electorate - no candidate has ever knocked on my door in 40+ years of voting.
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wonkotsane 85p · 657 weeks ago

Constituencies are too large for door knocking now - even in the ward I represent on my parish council there are something like 1,500 properties which would take me forever to get round. For a Westminster constituency you're looking at about 40-45k households. But otherwise I agree, there is no way the leadership of the Tories would want a pact with UKIP because we don't stand for the same things despite what the media might say - we don't believe in high tax, big state, abolition of civil liberties, the EU, uncontrolled immigration, over-burdened welfare state. If Tory Councillors, MPs or MEPs are worried about losing their seats to UKIP then they have the choice - either stay as Tories and risk losing or if they believe in the same things as us, join us and fight the next election on the right side.
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wonkotsane 85p · 657 weeks ago

UKIP's ultimate goal is to win elections and form a government. The days of UKIP being a pressure group or campaign group in the guise of a political party are long gone. UKIP has the most comprehensive manifesto of any political party, we just need the MPs to translate those policies into legislation. Leaving the EU was our raison d'être but it's not our sole aim. Who else is going to bring about a simplified, low tax system? Not the LibLabCon. Who's going to bring about closer ties with the Commonwealth? Not the LibLabCon. Who's going to respect the military covenant and give the armed forces proper funding? Not the LibLabCon. Who's going to even up devolution and stop institutional discrimination against the English? Not the LibLabCon. Who's going to allow the private sector to relieve the burden on the NHS without privatising it? Not the LibLabCon. We need UKIP in power way beyond leaving the EU.
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Brian · 657 weeks ago

So constituencies are too big-fine, but even the public meeting at mine before the last election was not advertised enough and this was admitted by both the LabCon reps outside the polling booth. Yes UKIP have more commonsense ideas than the three parties who have now passed their shelf-life date. But the blinkered and brainwashed party supporters across the country will not change their voting habits because they believe (quite wrongly) that UKIP has no experience of anything. The Conservatives and Liberals said exactly the same about 100 years ago when Kier Hardie formed the Labour Party and look at the modern technology we have now compared to then. UKIP is the only party I shall vote for and all I ask is that they keep hammering the £50+ millions being sent to a corrupt and unaudited entity on a daily basis.
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wonkotsane 85p · 657 weeks ago

You'll find that the public meetings were advertised extensively amongst the correct people - ie. those with the right colour ties who can be relied upon to give resounding endorsements/condemnation as instructed at such meetings.
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Geoff Courtenay · 657 weeks ago

Dan Hannan is a wolf in sheep's clothing

If Tories really want UKIP policies then they should Join UKIP & vote UKIP

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