Wednesday, 8 August 2012

A UKIP - Tory Pact? Five Reasons why not.

The current death spiral of the Tory party, fast draining members, support and morale under the inspired leadership of "Agent Cameron", has led once again to talk of some kind of electoral pact with UKIP.
Many would say that the growth of UKIP and the eclipse of the Tory Party amounts to a major split on the right of British politics in the same way that Labour and Liberals split in the early 20th Century. Just as that split ushered in a Tory dominated century, this split would ensure the domination of the Left in British Politics for the foreseeable future. By this analysis how to deal with the 'Tory question' is the most important strategic issue UKIP faces.
However, there are reasons to be extremely cautious of a pact with the Tories for the following reasons.
  1. UKIP is developing its own unique identity and, if it is to have any hope of power, must look to appeal to voters beyond the Tory base. For example, Many UKIP policies appeal to people who would consider themselves 'Old Labour' types. Many such people would never dream of voting Tory for atavistic tribal reasons of class prejudice, and will not support UKIP if it is seen as being tainted by association and just a Tory mini-me. UKIP's position in Northern England and Wales, where we may shortly overtake the Tories in  popular support, would be particularly damaged.

    But it's not really about "stealing" votes from other parties: the biggest prize in British politics is to appeal to the huge percentage of the population who no longer vote or never have done, utterly alienated from the political process. The LibLabCon are rightly seen as part of an  inward-looking Metropolitan clique totally out of touch with the average person. There is a huge opportunity for a party that continues to stand resolutely outside the tired old politics that have clearly failed the country.
  2. The Vision Thing.  UKIP has a clear, unique and progressive vision for this country which chimes with the instincts of the British people. The eternally myopic Tory Party does not and never will have. The lack of a coherent alternative vision over the last 20 years has allowed the PC Left to dominate the debate and advance their interests almost without opposition, particularly in matters of culture. Irrespective of whether we ever hold formal power, it is vital our vision and message is clearly propagated to the British people as a viable alternative to our current wretched condition. On no account must that be diluted or subsumed.
  3. A huge realignment of British Politics may be coming. The rapid decline of the Tory Party may be followed by collapse of the Labour Party, many of whose suporters only continue to vote Labour out of hatred of the Tories. At that point the whole situation will be in flux and UKIP must have maximum mobility and freedom of action to exploit the situation.
  4. Although the Tory Party contains many decent people, historically it has always been dominated by a ruthless and careerist elite who believe in power at any price. A pact with such people is likely to end in tears and bitter betrayal.
  5. Many UKIP activists would feel uncomfortable being in a pact with a party whose leadership has repeatedly smeared us as racist.
For these reasons, a pact with the Tories is better left alone. We have struggled mightily over the years to get where we are by going it alone. Even greater achievements will be ours if we continue to do so.

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A pact with the Coners is similar to a pact with the Libs or the Labs. Any talk of it should be crushed instantly from on high - why hasn't it been?
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Let them tear themselves apart over it for a bit!
Reason 6: selling out their principles for a few years of power has destroyed the Lib Dems
The most important reason - UKIP gives a voice to the people long ignored, belittled and sneered at by the Lab/Con/Lib political elite.
I've never voted Tory in my life, the idea all UKIP supporters are disaffected Tories is a myth.
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George Ashcroft · 659 weeks ago

I am interested in your suggestion of a collapse of the Labour Party. What is your rationale for this?

I can certainly forsee a re-allignment in British politics, but not quite as you describe. I know that there are certain fundamental differences but, in a very general sense, surely UKIP is to the UK what the Front Nacional is to France - kingmaker in part, but never the king?

Elections in the UK are won on the centre-ground. By it's nature, UKIP can never occupy that ground and I see little evidence to suggest that there has been much in the way of a fundamental shift. UKIP might be able to maintain a role as a maverick party of the right, but can only ever hold power as part of a broader centre-right block. Long before that day arrives, UKIP will disintegrate along populist/traditionalist lines. To rule out any form of pact with the Tory Party is to position UKIP in an ideological ghetto and to hasten that day.
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George Ashcroft · 659 weeks ago

cont...What will be more interesting in the short to medium term will be the position of the Liberals following the next General Election. I can forsee circumstances in which the Labour Party might actually benefit significantly from a Liberal exodus of supporters and votes. In fact, I believe that It is this centrist block which will then threaten to dominate politics for the next two decades or so - think Europeran Social Democrat with opposition Conservative.

If it were lead by a David Milliband type, and If it were able to tame it's spendthrift instincts, this SDP/New Labour mark 2 (or is that 3 or 4?) might command very significant electoral support. UKIP might then continue to deny the Tories a significant numbers of seats until such time as it's own internal contradictions were resolved, one way or another. I regard UKIP and the Tories in general as part of the same "movement" and their respective fortunes are tied together in ways which are often overlooked.
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George Ashcroft · 659 weeks ago

It would have been better, long-term, for the Tory Party to have broken out and fully embraced the coalition, as some, such as John Major, initially suggested. We now risk a return of Labour and we do not yet know in which direction they will go. The reaction of many Tory backbenchers to the coalition suggests to me that they have much more in common with UKIP than any Liberal/Tory position. I regard UKIP and Tory backbenchers in the same way - they sometimes have a point but also a tendency to the ridiculous, with Nadine Dorries and one or two UKIP MEP's being the most obvious examples (not that others, including myself, are beyond such).

I should state, for the moderator, that I am not a UKIP supporter. I was a Tory activist and Councillor for a number of years, and although no longer politically active, I maintain a number of contacts, including with members of UKIP, with whom I have often enjoyed "common cause". I have posted on here once or twice in the past and out of general interest.
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Daniel Hewson · 659 weeks ago

The Tory party is seen as the party of the rich, UKIP must distance itself from this and spell out their tax priorities as cutting taxes on the poor, ie, VAT, fuel, alcohol, tobacco duty, before inheritance tax cuts, the Tory party refused a mansion tax, UKIP should consider either a mansion tax, raising council tax bands, or a land value tax, to move taxation away from income (which is often avoided) and onto property (which it is harder to avoid).
WE CAN'T POSSIBLY GET INVOLVED WITH THE TORIES. THEY ARE A SINGLE ISSUE PARTY.
THEIR SOLE PURPOSE IN LIFE IS TO GET US COMPLETELY SUBSUMED INTO THE EU SUPERSTATE. EVERY OTHER POLICY REVOLVES AROUND HOW IT SERVES THAT PURPOSE.

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